We'd like to welcome Apple to the world of ARM-based laptops. You're a couple years late to the party, though, but better now than never? 😉
@seven They're both RISC architectures. That's about all they have in common. To claim they are the same is kind of like saying that coffee and tea are the same thing because they both come from plant material.
@PINE64 O_O If I don't have to switch toolchains to build my nix of choice on either or, they aren't "that" different...
That said, my point is they are not new to the non-intel game for a PC and have more experience with it than anyone else, even if they haven't been doing it, for a while...
Meh... Look, one tool chain, code runs on both... O_o maybe not as efficient on one vs the other, but it will function...
I think ones idea of whats the same and whats different varies a but from person to person, personally one risc chip is the same as another, some perform better than others... Can my software go where it needs to, yes is the answer, I could load a linux built with ppc, it'll run fine on most desktop arms... (I've done it)
@PINE64 To this I say comparing the two is more like comparing Gala Apples to say Fuji Apples, they are both Apples but different Apples...
Lolz, I mean whatever, wanna go on believing marketing that's your deal. Additional features don't mean you have some new arch.
Great it calls itself advanced risc, so what... I can use the same garbage kernel from forever ago, and still task that chip. Sure it does this or that different, but mistaking it for something actually different from any reduced instruction cpu is kinda sad honestly...
I've been working on bare metal kernels for decades, so if you think it's that different, more power to you, but your still wrong. The fact I can run a kernel and os made for ppc from forever ago on a pinebook kinda says, not that different.
Sure MIPS is slightly different, all in your list have variances, but again we are talking different flavors of apples here, not apples to oranges...
@seven well yeah, the underlying OS is Darwin. Apple uses it for both iOS and macOS.
But with it being ARM and their own silicon, good luck getting past their DRM and such. Definitely doesn't have EFI.
Linux is traditionally x86, and it'll probably stay x86 first for a few more years.
I am saying all this despite owning a PBP, running Arch.
@the I mean I've ran non intel linux, well a very long time...
As for their DRM, consider how much focus will be on breaking it, much like iOS jailbreak, it's not going to be long, regardless of what they do... ;)
I'm all for different random tech don't get me wrong, I just don't think "welcome to the show" is the best message, instead something like "welcome back to the fold" would be more constructive. Consider what their dev army could and probably will do for the arch ( I have ran arch on a ppc macbook, I'm not going to say it was fun to get working, but it can work, slackware too).
Can't wait for them to unveil what will probably just be a $1500 Pinebook minus the privacy; security and user repairability.
@PINE64 $500 and the dev must bring back the machine at the end. Reverse engineering not allowed.
I'll stick to the Pinebook.