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Hello, welcome to Linux, here are the apps you installed using Snap. Here are the apps you installed using Flatpak. Here are the apps you installed using apt. Here are the apps you inst- wait, where are you going… what’s wrong? WE WERE JUST GETTING TO KNOW EACH OTHER!!!

@aral bundler, pip and gem feel ignored!

@aral Welcome to Linux, where installing apps gets reinvented every five years.

(Also Python, Ruby, and Node).

@aral Package management systems are actually a long-solved problem under . Why do we need so many of them?🤔

@aral If everyone used this wouldn't be an issue

@aral welcome to macOS, here are the apps installed using Mac App Store. Here are the apps installed from DMGs. Here are the apps installed from PKGs (try uninstalling those!). Here are the apps installed from Homebrew. Here are the apps...

@aral Well, at least we didn't end up with a *single* gatekeeper there yet...

@aral oh and don't forget, oftentimes your Flatpak and Snap apps can't talk to or look like the apps you installed using the distro package manager because they're "sandboxed". who needs to upload files in Discord anyway?!

@aral I know these 700 solutions for one problem are sometimes really annoying. But keep in mind: Software ecosystems work just as natural ecosystems, diversity brings stability. I one fails you, you can use another. That's one big advantage in contrast to non-free systems!

@aral when I look for popular software on ubuntu's software-thingy, I get double results for them. The list gives me no way to discern them. I know I need to look for "snap" vs "universe" on the detail page, but that is really not what we should thrive for.

@aral The main issue with the FLOSS community is why distributions like Pop!_OS (or communication protocols like XMPP) are recommended in the first place.

Reasons to run Linux distributions: the Linux kernel

Decent Linux distributions for beginners: Ubuntu and Fedora

@aral
The most annoying about all these different formats is not that it are different formats, but the bloat! This is also a reality on both Windows and in a lesser extent Mac. Developers just want to distribute the complete circus. I saw Snaps and Flatpaks of hundreds of megabytes!

In the past I was always saying to Windows users; 'Linux packages are very small, because they share the same libraries.'. So you need much less disk-space. I'm afraid I can't use that reason anymore.

@aral
? Probably next year again 🤷‍♂️

@redbookworm Bah, the Linux kernel is for wusses. I assemble my kernel from scratch every morning using titanium punched cards before my first cup of coffee.

@aral @redbookworm

amateur.

When I drink the caffee, silicon is burning in the oven, and when I finish I have my SoC with the whole kernel in the microcode.

@loweel @redbookworm Oh yeah, well you didn’t ask the most important question. How do I punch the cards? With my teeth.

@aral @redbookworm

still amateur.

real men are using their dicks for that. teeths are for pussies.
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@aral

Short autobiography:

1) Cultural dichotomy-shaping segregated environments makes social reproduction easier, so children of the bourgeoisie go to prestigious schools/universities

2) Some people don't have a place in these cultural groups => because of cultural isolation, they try to help where they hope to be needed (in political struggles, including FLOSS)

3) They start imitating those who've actually read the specs, to get (from a public) the same reactions as them

@aral

Short autobiography:

1) Cultural dichotomy-shaping segregated environments make social reproduction easier, so children of the bourgeoisie go to prestigious schools/universities

2) Some people don't have a place in these cultural groups => because of cultural isolation, they try to help where they hope to be needed (in political struggles, including FLOSS)

3) They start imitating those who've actually read the specs, to get (from a public) the same reactions as them

@aral So, to get straight to the point these people are harmful to their causes but they also die in the real world.

For me, correlating stuff has always been a matter of survival.

@craigmaloney
Welcome To Windows, where installing apps gets reinvented with each app
@aral

@aral don't forget manually installed .debs which you can easily hunt with a `dpkg -S /usr/bin/some-app` :-)

@isagalaev Oh indeed, how can one forget such a thing? ;P

@timkrueger Hey Tim, thanks for the link but can’t seem to load the site.

@aral
Or...Just don't start with Ubuntu/Debian :-)

@isagalaev

@aral
Still miles better than windows.

Here have a non-standard installer (that sometimes even tries to install adware).
Technically there's msi, but who bothers to use that anyway?
Oh you want updates? If you're lucky there's a built in updater. If not, you're on your own. You wanna know where the application stores it's data? Good luck finding out which AppData folder it is again. Oh yeah, and then there's also windows app store....